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Club EvMed: Teaching evolution in the time of COVID-19 - Shared screen with speaker view
Barbara Natterson-Horowitz
33:23
Thank you ,Charlie Nunn, for this wonderful evolutionary medicine community building initiative!
Elizabeth Barnes
35:23
The host can't raise hands
Cinzia Fornai
36:32
We can show thumb up or clap. I cannot raise hand
Meredith Spence Beaulieu, Ph.D.
36:45
www.tricem.org
Meredith Spence Beaulieu, Ph.D.
36:51
@TriCEM_NC on Twitter
Reika Shimomura
36:56
you can click participants and then raise hand
Meredith Spence Beaulieu, Ph.D.
38:07
If anyone has trouble with the “raise hand,” you can send a message here in the chat box. I’ll be keeping an eye on it.
Frank Ruehli
41:05
Everyone calls it “social distancing,” it should actually be rather called “physical distancing”…
Dan Blumstein
41:22
YES!
Meredith Spence Beaulieu, Ph.D.
41:27
Very true!
Jay Labov
41:51
Meredith, when I click on the link I get the following warning message: This site is not secureThis might mean that someone’s trying to fool you or steal any info you send to the server. You should close this site immediately.. If I go to details and then proceed anyway to the site, I can get there. Something needs to be fixed viz a viz to security.
Adam Hunt
41:53
True!
Meredith Spence Beaulieu, Ph.D.
42:24
Thanks for letting me know, Jay. I’ll do some digging into why you’re getting that message.
Mark Friedman
42:39
physical distancing and social solidarity! GE workers taking the lead---fighting for safety on the job, return of laid-off workers to produce ventilators in their normally military bomber plant.
ronwillis
46:58
anyone know how to paste a question here, or do you have to type it in?
Adam Hunt
47:16
I've heard a lot of laymen talking/worried about Coronavirus evolving; I think because everyone was already aware that flu evolves. Agree this is a good opportunity to push evolutionary medicine into the mainstream!
David Rasmussen
48:49
https://covidtracking.com/data
Sandra Breum Andersen
48:55
this one is also good https://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/
Cinzia Fornai
51:57
You might be interested in this too https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
miran öncel
52:49
wow yesterday it was 800.000
Adam Hunt
54:19
Size ratio of blue to yellow is equal/more in michigan
Frank Ruehli
54:23
Just to remind- usually it is not only one peak, the chances of a second (even bigger) wave are real (see 1918 et al.), independent of how we deal with the first one
laura Wilt
54:37
I like the medscape one
Joseph Stanford
56:28
The Michigan picture is more reader-friendly for the general public
Frank Ruehli
57:16
There is also the minor misconception that the health care capacities are stable over time (which they are not) …
Dan Blumstein
01:01:23
How does mutation rate compare to seasonal flu? I ask because I’m interested in how likely it is that any potential vaccine ‘lasts’ vs. has to be redeveloped annually?
Cinzia Fornai
01:01:24
I agree, Frank, consider that only in Italy for now 63 doctors have died because of Coronavirus infection
Meredith Spence Beaulieu, Ph.D.
01:01:54
I’ll interject with these points in a moment!
Adam Hunt
01:02:48
Dan: I've heard other coronaviruses don't mutate as quickly as flu; not sure if this is baseline mutation rate or just mutations which prevent vaccination
Adam Hunt
01:03:26
i.e. one vaccination should hopefully do it
Dan Blumstein
01:04:23
thanks Adam!
Adam Hunt
01:06:56
To Frank's point; in the UK we are currently creating a completely new 4000 bed hospital (Nightingale Hospital) in London specifically for COVID, the biggest of its kind in the world
Adam Hunt
01:07:12
So obviously that puts the line up a lot
Byron Adams
01:08:27
Another benefit of flattening the curve and reducing transmission is that it should drive the evolution of reduced virulence, right?
ronwillis
01:09:52
SIR models underpin the predictions on TV including flattening the curve. But real epidemics and ecosystems are complex and have a level of chaos in them. Are there messages around uncertainty of outcomes that should be better known? Weather forecasts come to mind.
Dan Grunspan
01:10:26
Byron - that is something I've been thinking about for a while. Extreme isolation seems like it should theoretically set up a stronger pressure for lower virulence (if that variation exists). It seems like asymptomatic spread and general epidemiological patterns outweigh that pressure (at least in the short term), though
Adam Hunt
01:11:43
I think flattening the curve via social distancing could also encourage strains which are even more virulent? The only strains which survive are those which can replicate during social distancing?
Aparajeya Shanker
01:14:41
Can environmental changes explain the variation in the strains we have observed, for example there are different mutations in Italy, as compared to China?
Frank Ruehli
01:18:46
The main problem is that we still do know so little, even not the exact ecological niche / time origin (China…) as well as basics of its epidemiological characteristics (differences in clinical features, different mortality, immunity, Ro factor, Nr of people currently affected in different countries etc etc)…
laura Wilt
01:24:06
I have to go to work but I thank you for this useful information on how to teach to students with Covid!
Meredith Spence Beaulieu, Ph.D.
01:24:17
Thanks for joining us, Laura!
Dan Blumstein
01:25:34
Thanks Jeff and David and Meredith et al. for organizing this! Off to the next meeting…
ronwillis
01:26:02
David mentioned variable responses in humans. What are the implications of sexual selection? It is reported that women get more autoimmune diseases than men and that men are more susceptible to covid 19. Apparently the ACE2 gene is on the X chromosome so some women get a better immune response than men. Any thoughts?
Frank Ruehli
01:27:49
Is the higher male mortality (factor 1.7) really corrected for co-morbidities /co-infections etc? What do we know about ACE polymorphism?
Farrah Bashey-Visser
01:29:54
Sabra Klein has some nice reviews on sex differences in immune responses.
Adam Hunt
01:30:46
Some of the higher male mortality will be related to more male smokers I assume
Frank Ruehli
01:31:26
I am off to social non-distancing - kids were the reason why I preferred to comment via chat rather than via mic THANKS for a great session
Meredith Spence Beaulieu, Ph.D.
01:31:36
Thanks for joining!
Adam Hunt
01:31:44
See you Frank
Emily Webb (she/her, ASU)
01:33:24
It sounds like these teaching recommendations are geared more toward upper-division courses such as Evolutionary Medicine and Molecular Genetics. What suggestions do you folks have for core ideas to teach lower-division Evolution, Genetics, or even Introductory Biology courses?
Dan Grunspan
01:36:09
Mark - the videos that Vaughn Cooper has been posting fit the bill.
Chin-To Fong
01:36:11
Is anyone taking a cultural evolution approach? How would we have handled with without already pervasive use of electronic communication?
Chin-To Fong
01:36:33
“Handled this”
Duane Stilwell
01:37:46
Is it possible to gain immunity if someone is serially exposed to viral loads that are not enough in each individual case to cause infection?
Dan Eisenberg
01:39:41
I think it is unknown how immunity works yet--and even more so about the low viral load immunity questions
Mark Friedman
01:42:28
To help convey these ideas to HS classes---AP Bio, Physio-anatomy... Getting more on Ask-A-Biologist, LA Unified School and EvMed website, other school districts. Who can also work on a PPT (reduced version of today's) or video on this? Or have information on Interferon Alpha 2B and the campaign to get it into the US--especially now NY, Michigan, CA.. please connect with me. MarkLewisFriedman@gmail.com
Dr Charles Nunn, Ph.D.
01:44:21
Jay referred to ISEMPH… ISEMPH is International Society for Evolution, Medicine and Public Health
Sam Urlacher
01:46:15
Thank you to the organizers for putting this together! Great session. I need to get on another call now, but I look forward to the next session.
Mark Friedman
01:47:03
I agree with Jay---big opening now to promote EvMed to a much wider audience. Thru collaboration with nurses organizations who are out there in the forefront demanding medical equipment, protection and more help
erika nadile
01:47:17
Thank you all for your insight and for gathering us here today!
miran öncel
01:47:22
Thank you Dr. Charles for this great course I have to leave to
Jeff Thorne
01:47:30
thank you all!
India Schneider-Crease
01:47:36
Great session, and thanks to Charlie and Meredith for organizing. I’m looking forward to future sessions and the development of covid-specific materials and resources for teaching ev med.
Aparajeya Shanker
01:48:12
Thank you for holding this discussion. It has been very illustrative and educative
Carlie Leary
01:48:16
Thanks!